Re: [Tccc] Researcher position at (business) - posting (and WikiCFP)

Congratulations Deep.

On Wed, 2 Jun 2010, Medhi, Deep wrote:

>
> Joe,
> I did a bit of checking what ComSoc bylaws says.
>
> Articles 5.1 and 5.6
> (http://www.comsoc.org/about/documents/bylaws/5) that discuss technical
> committees says:
>
> " 5.1 Technical Committees are established to promote and
> achieve the technical objectives of the Society."
>
> "5.6 General policies and procedures are provided to guide
> technical committees and may be modified for the individual technical
> committee with approval of the Vice President - Technical Activities.
> Policies must include officer positions and election procedures."
>
> The objectives of the Society is discussed in article 1
> (http://www.comsoc.org/about/documents/bylaws/1) that specifically
> includes the following:
>
> " Professional Services
>
> * Personal career growth by providing technical and personal
> development information
> * Job opportunity benefits through inter-personal networking and
> facilitation of interactions among members
>
> "
>
>
> My interpretation from the above is that job posting (commercial or
> non-commercial) is not prohibited by ComSoc. However, based on Article
> 5.6 that sets the policy of a particular TC, a TC may impose
> restrictions. Currently, TCCC mailing list policy
> (http://committees.comsoc.org/tccc/list.html) imposes restriction on
> what may or may not be posted.
> Thus, it's within TCCC's power to change its policy as long as it's
> approved by Vice President - Technical Activities (per article 5.6).
>
> This is something worth looking into.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Regards,
>
> -- Deep
>
> Deep Medhi, Ph.D.
> Professor, Computer Science & Electrical Engineering Department,
> University of Missouri-Kansas City, USA, Tel: +1-816-235-2006,
> http://www.csee.umkc.edu/~dmedhi
> Chair, Internet Technical Committee, http://www.comsoc.org/~itc
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:tccc-
>> bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Touch
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:59 PM
>> To: Tarik Taleb
>> Cc: Sohraby, Khosrow; tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu; Roch Guerin; Nitin
> H.
>> Vaidya
>> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Researcher position at (business) - posting (and
>> WikiCFP)
>>
>>
>>
>> Tarik Taleb wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> If the group can decide for banning CFPs, why not allowing the group
>>> to decide for allowing (all types) of job posts, and perhaps
>>> redefining policies.
>>
>> The group can decide what it wants subject to IEEE ComSoc policies.
>> Getting those changed requires involving the ComSoc, e.g., at the next
>> Globecom or ICC, and raising as a change to the Board of Directors.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> wrote:
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>
>>>> If CFPs are not of interest to this group, we can ban them, if
>> that's
>>>> the group's decision.
>>>>
>>>> Note that we cannot ban those directly involved with the IEEE, and
>>>> that this would require additional volunteer effort to moderate the
>> list contents.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> Jakob Eriksson wrote:
>>>>> I agree with the previous speakers. The CFPs that constantly flood
>> my inbox are hardly ever of any use, but the occasional job posting
> can
>> be very useful to my students. If we're banning research job postings,
>> then let's ban the CFPs too.
>>>>>
>>>>> On that note, I went googling for a better solution. Some of you
>> may find this free site helpful, I know I did:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.wikicfp.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> In a few minutes, I was able to collect a personal list of CFPs
> for
>> ~20 conferences that I'm interested in. One could ask for many more
>> features than this site has to offer, but it does do the basic job
>> quite well!
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jakob
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Sohraby, Khosrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Nitin and Roch. I guess the main (and probably only
>> reason) is economics! Students who are looking for a job should
> become
>> IEEE members and subscrible to IEEE venues which advertise job
>> postings. It does not matter if they cannot afford it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not agree with this approach, but I guess IEEE is also
>> watching its bottomeline!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "already provide venues (as a revenue source) for such posts
>> (e.g.,
>>>>>> advertisements in IEEE Communications and IEEE Network, and sale
>> of
>>>>>> their email lists)."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Khosrow
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu on behalf of Roch Guerin
>>>>>> Sent: Wed 6/2/2010 3:00 PM
>>>>>> To: Joe Touch
>>>>>> Cc: tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu; Nitin H. Vaidya
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Researcher position at (business) - posting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The risk is that this further decreases the value of being on the
>>>>>> TCCC list for many current members, and not just students, which
>>>>>> when combined with the flood of not necessarily very useful CFPs
>>>>>> may end-up tilting into negative territory the overall value of
>>>>>> being a member of the list. Since being on the list is in
>> practice
>>>>>> pretty much how one becomes a TCCC member, this seems like a
>> pretty effective way to reduce
>>>>>> membership. I'm assuming that's the goal, right? ;-}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Touch wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Nitin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nitin H. Vaidya wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Joe:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The TCCC mailing list is also open to other postings of
>>>>>>>>>> potential interest to its members, which include job offers,
>>>>>>>>>> and RFIs or RFPs in areas of technical interest to TCCC
>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note that this will be corrected very shortly; commercial
> posts
>>>>>>>>> are prohibited by IEEE ComSoc email policy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Jakob Eriksson
>>>>> Assistant Professor, University of Illinois at Chicago
>>>>> phone: (312)77-JAKOB
>>>>> 851 S Morgan (M/C 152), Room 1120 SEO, Chicago, IL 60607-7053
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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