Re: [Tccc] Cost of attendance from developing countries / in general

While the IEEE, or more specifically ComSoc in our case, staff do provide
valuable support, contract negotiation has not been one of them in my
experience. In fact, any interference from NJ has a detrimental effect when we
negotiate locally. That aside, there is a 20% profit requirement in
ICC/Globecom, and it is profit as far as the conference budget is concerned.
The profit is needed to pay the support staff, staff travels to conference
venue, GICC travels, VIP dinners, non-conference-related meetings and
attendance, WCET, etc., etc. While some of these are well-justified, it is also
clear that ComSoc must become more fiscally responsible and cut its spending.

I'm also not sure about conferences funding the journals, and would like to see
the math there, esp. given the thousands of USD we have been paying for
overlength page charges.

Hakan Delic

Quoting Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU>:

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> Habib,
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> I want to reiterate Celia's point. I've seen the budgets for the IEEE
> and ACM on this point. There is a 15-20% charge to meetings that goes
> back to the parent organization, but it's not "profit" by any means.
> That money goes as follows:
>
> - when conferences lose money (and they sometimes do),
> that money helps cover the loss
>
> - conferences receive support from the IEEE that costs
> money:
> - they negotiate contracts with the hotels and
> banquet sites, often getting much reduced rates
> because the IEEE will return soon, even though a given
> conference will not return for many years
>
> - they insure us. if a paper is submitted and someone
> decides it was handled improperly, the IEEE helps
> indemnify us against such suits. they also help
> us if/when someone is injured at a meeting
>
> - the support us via their website and advertisements
> e.g., including us in their list of upcoming meetings,
> etc
>
> - as Celia noted, in the IEEE the conferences also help support
> the journals. the fees for each journal do not pay the costs
> required to publish it
>
> I have run numerous conferences in both the IEEE and ACM. In both cases
> I have received substantial support from staff - staff who are
> full-time, who are paid employees of the IEEE.
>
> As Celia noted, if you doubt *any* of this, please look at the numbers
> first.
>
> Joe
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