Re: [Tccc] Improving submissions and all that...

I think majority of the papers ***are coauthored*** (first author, in many cases) by young researchers. I am not sure what we are trying to achieve.

Atiq

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> bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Waltenegus Dargie
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 3:01 PM
> To: Joe Touch
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> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Improving submissions and all that...
>
> The idea of limiting submission tycoons is attractive to me because it
> will give young researchers the chance to publish.
>
> Waltenegus
>
> Joe Touch schrieb:
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> > Hi, Constantine,
> >
> > Before we go ahead with this suggestion, do we have any evidence it
> > would substantially change the number of submissions?
> >
> > Also, how would it affect each of us who have more than 2 graduate
> > students whose work synchronizes?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > Constantine Dovrolis wrote:
> >
> >> I like the idea of limiting the number of papers submitted
> >> by an author (or co-author) to a conference.
> >> The National Science Foundation in the US has enforced such
> >> a limit on the number of proposals that a PI can submit to
> >> a given NSF program. I think we need to do the same with
> conferences.
> >> This simple change can go a long way:
> >> 1. reduced reviewing load,
> >> 2. authors will focus on quality instead of quantity,
> >> 3. less paper "recycling",
> >> 4. and hopefully, fewer conferences!
> >>
> >> How about we all agree: no more than 2 sigcomm'10 submissions
> >> for any co-author?
> >>
> >> Constantine
> >>
> >>
> >> Petri Mähönen wrote:
> >>
> >>> Like Tony Ephremides already mentioned the quality of conference
> have
> >>> deteriorated on average, although there are (of course) also good
> ones
> >>> left.
> >>> One could try to obviously limit the flood of the papers by
> >>> introducing some constrained resource (token) algorithm into it, as
> >>> mentioned in various emails:
> >>>
> >>> * Pay paper submission fee (non-refundable)
> >>> * Limit submission to X papers by group/person/... (which allegedly
> >>> could solve some *claimed* institutional bias)
> >>>
> >>> One could say a lot about fairness of any such solution.
> >>>
> >>> However, I think that generally the problem is not only that there
> are
> >>> (just) more good papers flooding to the conferences. It is the
> point
> >>> that there are so many
> >>> bad papers, or paper that are not tackling worthwhile problems
> >>> submitted into conferences. This continues to be the case as long
> as
> >>> the conference papers
> >>> are seen to be a means for career, prestige, traveling to exotic
> >>> places etc. As a TPC member and chair, I can tell you that a lot
> of
> >>> time does not go to excellent papers, there is too much time used
> for
> >>> papers that any decent self-critique should have stopped, and of
> >>> course a tough cases of borderline paper decisions.
> >>>
> >>> FWIW, there are also fields where (a) conference papers are not
> given
> >>> any value in tenure track etc. games; (b) virtually all graduate
> >>> students can get
> >>> poster presented in the conferences (but only poster abstract is
> >>> published); (c) most of the talks are given by senior people or
> >>> occasionally graduate
> >>> students on exceptionally interesting new findings (and again these
> >>> may or may not be published in proceedings, but those are not seen
> as
> >>> "career path
> >>> papers"). One can be a lot of opinions of that approach, but at
> least
> >>> conferences tend to be places to go to hear interesting news, good
> >>> talks from senior
> >>> and some younger people, and there is a lot of time for discussions
> >>> (and yes, people tend to sit in the sessions and they show up).
> >>>
> >>> In the present competitive situation I fail to see easy way (at
> least
> >>> on TCCC level) to solve the problem, especially by asking same time
> >>> (i) fewer papers,
> >>> (ii) higher quality, (iii) more conferences, (iv) less conferences,
> >>> (v) total balance between TPC backgrounds, (vi) perfect reviews
> etc.
> >>>
> >>> I think it leaves also for me an opportunity to try to find a
> bottle
> >>> of wine...and not trying to solve this NP-hard problem.
> >>>
> >>> Only slightly more seriously, we should also be realistic what re-
> >>> engineering we can do for conferences/quality statements/etc. I
> think
> >>> Joe has been doing
> >>> a good work on this thread trying to stay his feet on ground and
> >>> pointing out realities and taking into account different points of
> >>> views.
> >>>
> >>> Petri
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I'm not picking on you, but we can't solve the problem without
> >>>>> acknowledging that something has to give, namely we can either
> have:
> >>>>> - fewer papers accepted/submitted OR
> >>>>> - more conferences OR
> >>>>> - larger conferences.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Clearly, we have more submissions than good reviewers, much like
> we
> >>>> have more e-mail than time to read it. The solution is that there
> >>>> must
> >>>> be some constrained resource attached to submissions.
> >>>>
> >>>> For example:
> >>>> (i) one could limit submissions from any one author, or
> >>>> (ii) one could require a certain review/submission ratio. Poor
> >>>> reviewers will not be asked to review again, and will naturally
> stop
> >>>> being able to submit papers.
> >>>>
> >>>> best,
> >>>> -Ari
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