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Hi, Deep,
The ComSoc passed specific mailing list policies for TCs in 2002. They are
posted on our web pages, and were cited in my most recent post.
They are quite specific on this issue, and cover all TCs. The text posted on our
page cites TCCC in specific, but the original text from the Board of Governor's
meeting referred to "TC" in generic where we say "TCCC".
I.e., these are not TCCC-specific. It would require action of the BoG to
overturn these rules. As you note, TCCC rules *can* be more restrictive, but
cannot be less restrictive without BoG action.
Joe
Medhi, Deep wrote:
> Joe,
> I did a bit of checking what ComSoc bylaws says.
>
> Articles 5.1 and 5.6
> (http://www.comsoc.org/about/documents/bylaws/5) that discuss technical
> committees says:
>
> " 5.1 Technical Committees are established to promote and
> achieve the technical objectives of the Society."
>
> "5.6 General policies and procedures are provided to guide
> technical committees and may be modified for the individual technical
> committee with approval of the Vice President - Technical Activities.
> Policies must include officer positions and election procedures."
>
> The objectives of the Society is discussed in article 1
> (http://www.comsoc.org/about/documents/bylaws/1) that specifically
> includes the following:
>
> " Professional Services
>
> * Personal career growth by providing technical and personal
> development information
> * Job opportunity benefits through inter-personal networking and
> facilitation of interactions among members
>
> "
>
>
> My interpretation from the above is that job posting (commercial or
> non-commercial) is not prohibited by ComSoc. However, based on Article
> 5.6 that sets the policy of a particular TC, a TC may impose
> restrictions. Currently, TCCC mailing list policy
> (http://committees.comsoc.org/tccc/list.html) imposes restriction on
> what may or may not be posted.
> Thus, it's within TCCC's power to change its policy as long as it's
> approved by Vice President - Technical Activities (per article 5.6).
>
> This is something worth looking into.
>
>
> Thanks.
> Regards,
>
> -- Deep
>
> Deep Medhi, Ph.D.
> Professor, Computer Science & Electrical Engineering Department,
> University of Missouri-Kansas City, USA, Tel: +1-816-235-2006,
> http://www.csee.umkc.edu/~dmedhi
> Chair, Internet Technical Committee, http://www.comsoc.org/~itc
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:tccc-
>> bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Touch
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:59 PM
>> To: Tarik Taleb
>> Cc: Sohraby, Khosrow; tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu; Roch Guerin; Nitin
> H.
>> Vaidya
>> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Researcher position at (business) - posting (and
>> WikiCFP)
>>
>>
>>
>> Tarik Taleb wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> If the group can decide for banning CFPs, why not allowing the group
>>> to decide for allowing (all types) of job posts, and perhaps
>>> redefining policies.
>> The group can decide what it wants subject to IEEE ComSoc policies.
>> Getting those changed requires involving the ComSoc, e.g., at the next
>> Globecom or ICC, and raising as a change to the Board of Directors.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> wrote:
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>
>>>> If CFPs are not of interest to this group, we can ban them, if
>> that's
>>>> the group's decision.
>>>>
>>>> Note that we cannot ban those directly involved with the IEEE, and
>>>> that this would require additional volunteer effort to moderate the
>> list contents.
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> Jakob Eriksson wrote:
>>>>> I agree with the previous speakers. The CFPs that constantly flood
>> my inbox are hardly ever of any use, but the occasional job posting
> can
>> be very useful to my students. If we're banning research job postings,
>> then let's ban the CFPs too.
>>>>> On that note, I went googling for a better solution. Some of you
>> may find this free site helpful, I know I did:
>>>>> http://www.wikicfp.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> In a few minutes, I was able to collect a personal list of CFPs
> for
>> ~20 conferences that I'm interested in. One could ask for many more
>> features than this site has to offer, but it does do the basic job
>> quite well!
>>>>> - Jakob
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, Sohraby, Khosrow wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Nitin and Roch. I guess the main (and probably only
>> reason) is economics! Students who are looking for a job should
> become
>> IEEE members and subscrible to IEEE venues which advertise job
>> postings. It does not matter if they cannot afford it!
>>>>>> I do not agree with this approach, but I guess IEEE is also
>> watching its bottomeline!
>>>>>> "already provide venues (as a revenue source) for such posts
>> (e.g.,
>>>>>> advertisements in IEEE Communications and IEEE Network, and sale
>> of
>>>>>> their email lists)."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Khosrow
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu on behalf of Roch Guerin
>>>>>> Sent: Wed 6/2/2010 3:00 PM
>>>>>> To: Joe Touch
>>>>>> Cc: tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu; Nitin H. Vaidya
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Researcher position at (business) - posting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The risk is that this further decreases the value of being on the
>>>>>> TCCC list for many current members, and not just students, which
>>>>>> when combined with the flood of not necessarily very useful CFPs
>>>>>> may end-up tilting into negative territory the overall value of
>>>>>> being a member of the list. Since being on the list is in
>> practice
>>>>>> pretty much how one becomes a TCCC member, this seems like a
>> pretty effective way to reduce
>>>>>> membership. I'm assuming that's the goal, right? ;-}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Roch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Touch wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Nitin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nitin H. Vaidya wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Joe:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The TCCC mailing list is also open to other postings of
>>>>>>>>>> potential interest to its members, which include job offers,
>>>>>>>>>> and RFIs or RFPs in areas of technical interest to TCCC
>> members.
>>>>>>>>> Note that this will be corrected very shortly; commercial
> posts
>>>>>>>>> are prohibited by IEEE ComSoc email policy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Jakob Eriksson
>>>>> Assistant Professor, University of Illinois at Chicago
>>>>> phone: (312)77-JAKOB
>>>>> 851 S Morgan (M/C 152), Room 1120 SEO, Chicago, IL 60607-7053
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>
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