Re: [Tccc] Different community, similar problems? (Henning Schulzrinne)

If I miss the March 1st deadline by a few weeks or a couple of months,
still I'd submit and, if my paper's accepted, I'd rest gloating and happy
for the rest of the year. Having a chance for a rebuttal would mean a lot
and
I'd prefer submitting before Feb 1.
It'd be interesting to hear what PVLDB/VLDB folks will say about the
experience after Aug 2011!
-Sue

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:tccc-
> bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Marco Mellia
> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 12:22 AM
> Cc: tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Different community, similar problems? (Henning
> Schulzrinne)
>
>
> But I bet 95% of the submissions will happen the months before the
> actual conference ...
> Which is when you have the actual hard deadline.
>
> Why should I submit my paper the day after the conference, adding ~1year
> of delay/buffer ?
> To get a preliminary reject? or a preliminary revise and resubmit?
>
> Conference to be held on end of Aug. Then, quoting
>
> "All final submissions to PVLDB 2011 must be received by March 1, 2011.
> This includes responses to revision requests. To keep this schedule, all
> papers submitted for the batches of Feb. 1 and March 1, 2011 will
> receive binary accept/reject decisions; no revision requests will be
> issued for those submissions."
>
> I'll submit my work on March 1 ;)
> Never on March 2nd...
>
> M
>
>
> On 07/23/2010 03:32 PM, Sue Moon wrote:
> > A very reasonable hybrid!!!!!!!
> > -Sue
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:tccc-
> >> bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Constantine Dovrolis
> >> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:36 PM
> >> To: tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Different community, similar problems? (Henning
> >> Schulzrinne)
> >>
> >> folks, the databases community is taking a bold initiative this
> >> year at VLDB'11. Plz take a look at their review process:
> >>
> >> http://www.vldb.org/2011/SubmissionGuidelines.htm
> >>
> >> they don't solve all problems of our current conference review
> >> process obviously, but they take some radical steps
> >> to move away from the "deadline-driven research" mode that we all
> >> (in CS) follow today. Their method is a very good hybrid, IMO,
> >> between conferences and journals, combining the best of both worlds.
> >>
> >> I hope that some bold networking conferences will follow, and
> >> improve, this paradigm.
> >>
> >> Constantine
> >>
> >> On 7/23/2010 2:50 AM, Sue Moon wrote:
> >>
> >>> Definitely something we the community should give some thoughts on.
> >>> If the conference-centered publication practice is just an artifact of
> >>> how things have been done in our field and buys not much more,
> >>> then we should seriously think about morphing the practice to
journals.
> >>>
> >>> Some pluses about the conf-centered style.
> >>> - Workshops draw attention to a new rising field
> >>> and offers an opportunity for people to gather and discuss.
> >>> Creating a journal in a very agile manner would be hard.
> >>> - I can follow what's happening in the field by checking out
> >>> a few top conference proceedings.
> >>> A few minuses:
> >>> - Artificial constraint on when we publish
> >>> - No chance for a rebuttal, especially to a review that's unfair or
> >>> in some cases wrong or flawed
> >>> - Extra travel overhead for TPC meetings (not green!!)
> >>> - Much delay in publication, especially when authors target
> >>> premium conferences with low acceptance ratios.
> >>> - Those who can stay up the night before a deadline have advantage.
> >>> (Yeah you should not work only the night before, but we're all
> human
> >>> and there's always some last-minute improvement one can do.
> >>> Particularly challenging as we grow old.)
> >>>
> >>> How to morph to journals? One idea is for conferences to find a
> journal
> >>> to align with and then become a special issue. The review process
> >>> should be negotiated. Then do we still hold the conference?
> >>> Get rid of the conference itself? Merge a few to a big one?
> >>> We'll need much discussion for sure.
> >>>
> >>> -Sue
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@isi.edu]
> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 5:29 AM
> >>>> To: sbmoon@kaist.edu
> >>>> Cc: 'Victor Bahl'; 'Mani Srivastava'; tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Different community, similar problems? (Henning
> >>>> Schulzrinne)
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi, Sue (et al.),
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7/22/2010 1:07 AM, Sue Moon wrote:
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>> Conference or journal, if we could make sure that reviews are done
> >>>>>
> >> well,
> >>
> >>>>> why should it matter?
> >>>>>
> >>>> In a word, tenure (replace with whatever review process you prefer).
> >>>>
> >>>> We're all reviewed in various ways. Asserting that "networking is
> >>>> different", vs. other fields (either within CS, across engineering,
> or
> >>>> throughout other disciplines) doesn't cut it.
> >>>>
> >>>> IMO, we need to determine whether there's something about our work
> that
> >>>> truly is unique and warrants<10% conference accept rates and long
> >>>> review timelines - and make that case on its own merit (not just
> >>>>
> >> "that's
> >>
> >>>> how it's always been"), or we should *adapt* to the common modes of
> >>>> scientific discourse.
> >>>>
> >>>> Joe
> >>>>
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