Re: [Tccc] Different community, similar problems? (Henning Schulzrinne)

A very reasonable hybrid!!!!!!!
-Sue

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu [mailto:tccc-
> bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Constantine Dovrolis
> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 4:36 PM
> To: tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Different community, similar problems? (Henning
> Schulzrinne)
>
> folks, the databases community is taking a bold initiative this
> year at VLDB'11. Plz take a look at their review process:
>
> http://www.vldb.org/2011/SubmissionGuidelines.htm
>
> they don't solve all problems of our current conference review
> process obviously, but they take some radical steps
> to move away from the "deadline-driven research" mode that we all
> (in CS) follow today. Their method is a very good hybrid, IMO,
> between conferences and journals, combining the best of both worlds.
>
> I hope that some bold networking conferences will follow, and
> improve, this paradigm.
>
> Constantine
>
> On 7/23/2010 2:50 AM, Sue Moon wrote:
> > Definitely something we the community should give some thoughts on.
> > If the conference-centered publication practice is just an artifact of
> > how things have been done in our field and buys not much more,
> > then we should seriously think about morphing the practice to journals.
> >
> > Some pluses about the conf-centered style.
> > - Workshops draw attention to a new rising field
> > and offers an opportunity for people to gather and discuss.
> > Creating a journal in a very agile manner would be hard.
> > - I can follow what's happening in the field by checking out
> > a few top conference proceedings.
> > A few minuses:
> > - Artificial constraint on when we publish
> > - No chance for a rebuttal, especially to a review that's unfair or
> > in some cases wrong or flawed
> > - Extra travel overhead for TPC meetings (not green!!)
> > - Much delay in publication, especially when authors target
> > premium conferences with low acceptance ratios.
> > - Those who can stay up the night before a deadline have advantage.
> > (Yeah you should not work only the night before, but we're all human
> > and there's always some last-minute improvement one can do.
> > Particularly challenging as we grow old.)
> >
> > How to morph to journals? One idea is for conferences to find a journal
> > to align with and then become a special issue. The review process
> > should be negotiated. Then do we still hold the conference?
> > Get rid of the conference itself? Merge a few to a big one?
> > We'll need much discussion for sure.
> >
> > -Sue
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joe Touch [mailto:touch@isi.edu]
> >> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 5:29 AM
> >> To: sbmoon@kaist.edu
> >> Cc: 'Victor Bahl'; 'Mani Srivastava'; tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Different community, similar problems? (Henning
> >> Schulzrinne)
> >>
> >> Hi, Sue (et al.),
> >>
> >> On 7/22/2010 1:07 AM, Sue Moon wrote:
> >> ...
> >>> Conference or journal, if we could make sure that reviews are done
> well,
> >>> why should it matter?
> >>
> >> In a word, tenure (replace with whatever review process you prefer).
> >>
> >> We're all reviewed in various ways. Asserting that "networking is
> >> different", vs. other fields (either within CS, across engineering, or
> >> throughout other disciplines) doesn't cut it.
> >>
> >> IMO, we need to determine whether there's something about our work that
> >> truly is unique and warrants<10% conference accept rates and long
> >> review timelines - and make that case on its own merit (not just
> "that's
> >> how it's always been"), or we should *adapt* to the common modes of
> >> scientific discourse.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >
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