Could this discourse continue elsewhere, please? The participation is now
down to you on the questioning side, with responses from Joe and
occasionally Henning. I believe that direct email serves well for such
small groups.
Gunnar Karlsson
Den 2009-12-21 18:29:11 skrev Virgilio Rodriguez
<rodriguez@ti.rwth-aachen.de>:
> Joe Touch wrote:
>> Some further context...
>>
>> Virgilio Rodriguez wrote:
>> ...
>> > The above ENDS the participation of the academic side.
>>
>> > Further evidence of this, see a direct quote from Prof. Roy previous
>> > message:
>> > "I was Vice-Chair of a Comsoc Conference, I did not see a full
>> budget. I
>> > asked recently the TPC Chair(s) for upcoming ComSoc conference as to
>> > whether he had seen a full budget, and the answer was no."
>>
>> > So, obviously, the academic side has very little or nothing to do with
>> > money. If there is a money/budget problem, one has to look elsewhere.
>>
>> Sumit was vice-TPC chair. As Henning points out, TPCs have very little
>> involvement with the finances of a meeting.
> Hi, Joe:
> If I have at any point insulted your intelligence, I do sincerely
> apologise. It has always been my intention to treat you as a very
> intelligent person, who can follow the logic of arguments, and who will
> not be easily confused by ill-conceived pretexts and simple sophistry.
> Would it be too much to ask that you reciprocate?
>
> We all agree that TPC people do not handle money, or get deeply involved
> in budgetary affairs. (Vice-chairs are another matter).
>
> But the pretext being given not to release the detailed item by item
> spreadsheet of ANY major IEEE/ComSoc events is that each and every
> IEEE/ComSoc conference EVER organised by ComSoc in its ENTIRE history
> came with a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) covering EACH and every cost
> item. Respectfully, I find that pretext insulting to mine and every
> readers intelligence.
>
> But even if one was to accept it, that pretext does not work, quite
> obviously does not work, for people in top positions in the concerned
> event.
>
> At least THEY SHOULD SEE the complete budget (whether they work on it or
> not). Can you at least agree to that?
>
> Please, do not even attempt to put forward the argument that not even a
> Vice-Chair, or a top TPC person can SEE the complete budget because of
> some mysterious NDA (not a single one has been shown yet).
>
> SEEing a complete budget, and working on it are two very different
> things. If I was putting a lot of work to organise the technical side of
> a major conference I would expect, at least as a cortesy, to have the
> privilege os seeing the complete budget, to see where all the money I am
> helping earn is going. Would you not agree?
> Especially, a General Vice-Chair should be able to, since s/he may be
> asked to replace the General Chair in case os some sort of emergency,
> would you not agree?
>
> Another thing is that the NDA besides being invisible are also
> perpetual. Even highly-classified security government information is
> released EVENTUALLY. Apparently not so, the ComSoc conference financial
> data.
>
> Or are you willing to release the detailed spreadsheet of an OLD
> conference (say ICC2007, or even Globecom/WCNC 2004)? Even if the prices
> are not current they could provide useful information.
>
> Can you do so, or is that too much to ask?
>
> (below)
>
>>
>> > It is beyond me, why aren't the people who actually manage the money
>> > being the ones addressing money issues.
>>
>> Program chairs make decisions for individual meetings, but those budgets
>> are always approved and reviewed by the Comsoc. Fred *is* one of the
>> people who helps do that - he has helped organize and advise numerous
>> conferences.
> Sorry, but I do not see Fred's name in the ComSoc staff list:
> http://ww2.comsoc.org/about/staff
> The list is so long, though, that I may be missing him. Please, feel
> free to point out where he is.
>
> It does not seem to be any of the following people:
>
> MEETINGS AND CONFERENCES - Support for meetings and conferences -
> approvals, site/date selections, procedures, marketing, financial
> reports.
> Director, Conferences - Bruce Worthman
> 212 705 8909 | b.worthman(@)comsoc.org
> Senior Conference Planner - Debora Kingston
> 212 705 8942 | d.kingston(@)comsoc.org
> Senior Conference Planner - June Leach-Barnaby
> 212 705 8940 | j.leach-barnaby(@)comsoc.org
> Senior Conference Planner - Gayle Weisman
> 212 705 8941 | g.weisman(@)comsoc.org
> Meetings Administrator - Phyllis Curran O'Neill
> 212 705 8946 | p.oneill(@)comsoc.org
> Conference Coordinator - Giorgie Millamena
> 212 705 8943 | g.millamena(@)comsoc.org
> Compliance Coordinator Conference Operations - Bridget Erlikh
> 212 705 7929 | b.erlikh(@)comsoc.org
>
> Or these:
> FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION - Financial matters, office management and
> administration.
> Director, Finance and Admin - Bruce Worthman
> 212 705 8909 | b.worthman(@)comsoc.org
> Finance and Admin Associate - Sharon McCants
> 212 705 8972 | s.mccants(@)comsoc.org
>
> I would not expect that ALL these people (seemingly FT employees,
> although who can be sure?) would need the help of a volunteer, which I
> thought Fred is.
>
> Is he helping them as a paid consultant?
>
> Virgilio
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