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Virgilio,
Virgilio Rodriguez wrote:
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> We all agree that TPC people do not handle money, or get deeply involved
> in budgetary affairs. (Vice-chairs are another matter).
>
> But the pretext being given not to release the detailed item by item
> spreadsheet of ANY major IEEE/ComSoc events is that each and every
> IEEE/ComSoc conference EVER organised by ComSoc in its ENTIRE history
> came with a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) covering EACH and every cost
> item. Respectfully, I find that pretext insulting to mine and every
> readers intelligence.
The NDA typically covers the food and meeting location expenses, and
often includes specific contracts for transportation (e.g., a bus, if
used) or Internet service. So most of the "interesting" items are
covered by NDAs in every contract I've been involved.
> But even if one was to accept it, that pretext does not work, quite
> obviously does not work, for people in top positions in the concerned
> event.
>
> At least THEY SHOULD SEE the complete budget (whether they work on it or
> not). Can you at least agree to that?
The General Chairs do, as do the finance chairs. The TPC chairs do not,
in general. The IEEE asks the people handling the finances to sign forms
that indemnify their involvement. TPC chairs do not sign those forms,
and thus do not have access to it. They are often not involved in the
site planning anyway.
> Another thing is that the NDA besides being invisible are also
> perpetual. Even highly-classified security government information is
> released EVENTUALLY. Apparently not so, the ComSoc conference financial
> data.
You are confusing US federal law with the operation of a nonprofit
organization. Nonprofit organizations are required to release summary
financial information. The details are not examined unless the
organization is audited, and when that happens it is private to the
auditors.
FWIW, I've also never seen an NDA with a timeout or expiration.
>>> It is beyond me, why aren't the people who actually manage the money
>>> being the ones addressing money issues.
>> Program chairs make decisions for individual meetings, but those budgets
>> are always approved and reviewed by the Comsoc. Fred *is* one of the
>> people who helps do that - he has helped organize and advise numerous
>> conferences.
> Sorry, but I do not see Fred's name in the ComSoc staff list:
> http://ww2.comsoc.org/about/staff
> The list is so long, though, that I may be missing him. Please, feel
> free to point out where he is.
He is not on the current list; he served in many previous roles, and
coordinated his response with the people below.
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> I would not expect that ALL these people (seemingly FT employees,
> although who can be sure?) would need the help of a volunteer, which I
> thought Fred is.
Each of those people operates in a specific area; a coordinated response
has been given from a volunteer person who interacted with most of the
staff you mentioned.
Joe
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