Re: [Tccc] Cost of attendance from developing countries / in general

Joe..

1. "YOU" are the one who was questioning CUNY's capabilities to organize Globecom or ICC so my answer to you was and still is YES we can organize either or both.
When I said "all over the city" I meant the same facilities are repeated all over the city. So we have auditoriums and class rooms at the Graduate school on fifth ave, and the same facilities at City College, and the same facilities at Baruch College.. and so on.

2. YOU are the one who is making asserations that Universities venues could not work. I am saying this is an option that needs to be explored and investigated.

3. It is not useful to say that I need to submit a proposal to host Globecom or ICC. I do not need to, and will not submit any proposal simply because I do not want to host either conferences. I simply do not have the time for it.
Furthermore, your statement is a form of sanction on our opinions and discussions because you are saying I cannot discuss the option of Universities unless I will host the events. Well, I do not want to host any event, but others may want to.

4. I have already done my part for a long time participating in organizing events over the past 18 years. Still, I will participate in any ad-hoc committee will seriously investigate tools and means to utilize Universities as possible venues.

5. YOU are the chair of the TCCC so you should work with the community and take these suggestions to BoG and followup on them.

Ibrahim

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>Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:20:44 -0800
>From: Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU>
>Subject: Re: [Tccc] Cost of attendance from developing countries / in general
>To: habib@ccny.cuny.edu
>Cc: tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu,Roch Guerin <guerin@ee.upenn.edu>
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>habib@ccny.cuny.edu wrote:
>> Joe..
>> Quickly, the points are the following:
>> 1) Conferences should not pay money to IEEE support staff, this will
>> cut down the expenses and save money in registration fees.
>
>Hi, Ibrahim,
>
>I think my point is not clear. You do not want Globecom to pay for
>journals, but you want the IEEE registrations to pay for IEEE staff to
>support conferences. I don't think that's a consistent position.
>
>Either all components are self-supporting, or they are not.
>
>> 2) Universities (at least some of them) can support functions like
>> Globecom and ICC. I did not say that attendees should also sleep in
>> students dorms. Attendees can arrange their own hotels.
>
>I understood that, which is why I asked for 100 or so rooms, not 1,000.
>
>> We will gladly host Globecom or ICC at CUNY, during the summer time
>> or during the winter recess for Globecom. Why does it have to be when
>> school in session?? This does not make sense? ofcourse no university
>> will host anyone when school is in session. ICC is already in June
>> or July so that is very easy to do. Globeom can be moved to January
>> and that also will be no problem to host.
>
>This was the point I raised earlier. These conferences are already
>scheduled to not overlap, and there is very little room to shift them
>around. Some are in the summer, but others are not. ICC, Globecom, and
>Infocom are the large Comsoc meetings, and none occur during gaps in
>school schedules.
>
>This is exactly why expecting we host them at universities doesn't work.
>
>If we expect to hold ALL meetings at universities, or even just the
>large ones, they would all synchronize to January, June, July, and
>possibly early August. That is only 1/3-1/4 of the year./
>
>> I can give you any proof you want. We have ample class rooms to hold
>> sessions (50 people per room, 100 per room whatever you want), we have
>> several auditoriums all over the city in our campuses, each one can host
>> up to 600 and some up to8 00 people). CUNY hosts lots of meetings and
>> conferences in various fields of science and humanities. So it is
>> nothing new for us here.
>
>For Globecom or most other Comsoc events, "all over the city" won't
>work. We need a plenary space that can hold 1,000 within about a 5-10
>minute walk of the other spaces that support 7-8 rooms of 50-100 each.
>
>> Go to our CUNY website and see for yourself and you can also send a
>> formal request to our COO and ask our adminstration to host Globecom and
>> ICC and there you will have your proof.
>> If there is a will there is a way.
>
>*YOU* need to have the will. Submit a proposal to host Globecom.
>Seriously. You can't just make these kind of assertions and expect us to
>followup - I am doing so as chair on the finance issues, but if you want
>to back up these assertions about universities, you need to do some of
>the work as well.
>
>I include in this invitation anyone on this list; if you think you can
>do better, then *please* jump in. That is the best way to ensure there
>is change.
>
>Joe
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