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Ibrahim,
habib@ccny.cuny.edu wrote:
> Joe..
>
> 1. "YOU" are the one who was questioning CUNY's capabilities to
> organize Globecom or ICC so my answer to you was and still is YES we can
> organize either or both.
I am not questioning it; I'm asking you to confirm. You suggest that
universities are a viable alternative. Some of the problems include the
fact that universities don't deal directly with the IEEE; they usually
require an internal sponsor (faculty, etc.) for the event to initiate
the discussions.
If faculty won't step up and help that process, it simply cannot start.
However, to be clear, I'm not asking to hold Globecom at CUNY per se
(though I would not want to rule out any site either). I'm simply asking
you to get some initial information, such as whether your school would
be available as you claim, and what the approximate fees would be if any.
We have hosted meetings at other universities (TPC meetings in NYC and
Sigcomm at Karlsruhe), and there were often fees associated with room
use (setup and cleanup charges at least).
> When I said "all over the city" I meant the same facilities are
> repeated all over the city. So we have auditoriums and class rooms at
> the Graduate school on fifth ave, and the same facilities at City
> College, and the same facilities at Baruch College.. and so on.
Thank you for the clarification. I mistook your note as expecting
attendees to travel between sites.
> 2. YOU are the one who is making asserations that Universities venues
> could not work. I am saying this is an option that needs to be explored
> and investigated.
Having said that I helped organize Sigcomm at Karlsruhe, I'm not sure
how that impression was given. What I am saying is that universities are
NOT a "slam dunk" when it comes to overall conference costs, but that
any venue depends on the particulars involved, of course.
> 3. It is not useful to say that I need to submit a proposal to host
> Globecom or ICC. I do not need to, and will not submit any proposal
> simply because I do not want to host either conferences. I simply do not
> have the time for it.
Please see above. I'm asking you to provide information, not to host per
se. This discussion has much heat, but needs more light. As you asked
for transparency in the current costs (which I am currently arranging),
I am asking you to provide more transparency to your claims that
universities can be cheaper by providing an example.
> Furthermore, your statement is a form of sanction on our opinions and
> discussions because you are saying I cannot discuss the option of
> Universities unless I will host the events. Well, I do not want to host
> any event, but others may want to.
I apologize if my posts implied any sanctions. I'm only saying that we
can all complain, but it takes action to result in change.
Simply asking for "someone else to make it happen" isn't enough -
especially at a university, as I note above. I'm suggesting that those
with energetic opinions apply that energy in a constructive manner
towards enabling change.
> 4. I have already done my part for a long time participating in
> organizing events over the past 18 years. Still, I will participate in
> any ad-hoc committee will seriously investigate tools and means to
> utilize Universities as possible venues.
Thank you!!! That is precisely the kind of action we need, and all I was
asking for.
> 5. YOU are the chair of the TCCC so you should work with the
> community and take these suggestions to BoG and followup on them.
Although I have not cc'd the list on the posts, I have made several
queries to the Comsoc already, and will post when I hear further.
Joe
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