Re: [Tccc] Improving submissions and all that...

Understood regarding the time delay.

Note that Bardeen and Shockley worked in an industry lab and patented their work -- clearly a great result.

Steve

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From: Petri Mähönen [mailto:pma@mobnets.rwth-aachen.de]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 1:54 PM
To: Bush, Stephen F (GE, Research)
Cc: Joe Touch; Victor Walrand; tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Subject: Re: [Tccc] Improving submissions and all that...

Not knowing to particular case, but FWIW I only noticed that many of those papers lately are not reviewed papers (they are in arxiv preprint servers, and in submission).
But not knowing specifics I do not want to comment, and there are always statistical outliers. In any case, in those conferences I have been chair, I have no seen general carpet bombing from single author/co-author teams in statistically significant level (or perhaps I've been just lucky).

As of value. Yes, the value statements tend to come, but sometimes with a long time integral so we have to be careful. As an examples, what value there was for those funny guys (Bardeen, Shockley) working with semiconductors -- or even better those suspect guys Faraday and Maxwell -- just producing papers without meaningful transition to something useful. That said, obviously we have to be careful that everybody does not start their paper mill, and say "damn the 5-year transition, I will do 100-years shop".

But in my experience, and history seems to prove it, there is a feedback mechanism. It just tends to be sometimes slow.

Petri

>
> I'm curious how many industry research folks are on this list and
> whether their interests are (or should be) included in the discussion.
>
> Pumping out 97 papers in one year ... and if none of it reaches (or
> will
> reach) society in a meaningful way is the classic example of why
> papers and citations are not generally held in the highest regard (in
> industry at least).
>
> Number of papers and number of citations are nice, but there should be
> an equally weighted measure of meaningful transition to something
> useful, at some point, with the tax payers' money. Something like an
> industry citation of an academic paper counts for 10 university
> citations... i.e. the idea has been found to actually be of value and
> so weighted more.
>
> Steve
>
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> [mailto:tccc-bounces@lists.cs.columbia.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Touch
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:59 AM
> To: Victor Walrand
> Cc: tccc@lists.cs.columbia.edu
> Subject: Re: [Tccc] Improving submissions and all that...
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> Hi, all,
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> Victor Walrand wrote:
>> Take a look at the publication record of Prof. H. Vincent Poor's
>> from
>
>> Princeton for the last 2-3 years in DBLP.
>>
>> 2009 --> 56 papers
>> 2008 --> 97 papers (!!!)
>> 2007 --> 72 papers
>>
>> Is it really possible to author (or co-author) so many papers in a
>> year?!?
>
> I took a quick look. There are many papers with otherwise disjoint
> author lists, and he appears to frequently be the last author. I'm not
> sure how to interpret these results either, though.
>
>> So are people just using his Princeton credentials to get papers
>> accepted?
>
> This presumes that his credentials are a contributing factor in
> publication. Many of his co-authors are also from Princeton, however.
>
>> Isn't it the responsibility of a co-author to at least be responsible
>> for some of the content in a paper?
>
> The IEEE doesn't have such a requirement, except vaguely in its Code
> of Ethics. However, it's useful to note that all authors of a paper
> share equally in all responsibilities of following republication rules
> and anti-plagiarism.
>
> Joe
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